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Poster: bwhite0110 Date: Sep 4, 2012 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: jerry's voice

just wondering if there was a specific 'line in the sand' or show or event where we can detect a deterioration in jerry's singing voice?

or was it more of a gradual kind of thing?

cheers,

b

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Poster: Skobud Date: Sep 5, 2012 5:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

If you are talking about where the overall sound changed for good - imo post coma he stopped the Kermit thing and slowed it down for good and morphed into the sound he would keep for the rest of his life.

Im not sure where exactly the Kermit thing started, but I'm gonna guess late '81.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 5, 2012 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

Beginning of 1978 was when it really started to deteriorate. Listen to the first show in January. Jerry is quite sick and doesn't sing much (only three songs). When he does, it sounds like he's really straining to get the words out. The second set doesn't have a single Jerry song, so that should tell you something.

http://archive.org/details/gd78-01-06.sbd.clugston.6953.sbeok.shnf

The next night is even worse. No Jerry songs at all, and Bob even sings his parts on Jack Straw.

http://archive.org/details/gd1978-01-07.sbd.clugston.7204.sbeok.shnf

Jerry got sick again in November 1978. Although I think it's an excellent show, Jerry sounds pretty haggard at the 11/24/78 Capitol Theater show, and they cancelled the next night in New Haven.

Check out the Estimated> Shakedown...

http://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-24.pre-fm.miller.87642.sbeok.flac16

Show is cancelled...

http://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-25.aud.anderson.85058.flac16

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 5, 2012 6:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

To my ears, Jerry's vocal power deteriorates slightly as early as 1969. Though I think he learned to sing better and the overall quality of his voice improved in 1969, and continued to improve in 1970. He had such a sweet sounding voice up until '77 and parts of '78, when the deterioration began to happen less gradually.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 5, 2012 12:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

To my ears it is pretty gradual, starting in the very late '70s. In fact, I notice a very subtle change in his vocals as early as '77 or even '76; I think by the fall of that year (77) it starts to loose a little bit of it's "sweetness." It definitely starts to become noticeable by '78, as Headstrung mentioned, with his bouts of laryngitis.

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2012-09-05 07:11:35

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 4, 2012 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

"They'll never take me alive".

Was it ever any better than 15th May 1970 (Road Trips 3.3) when he responded to Bill Graham's intro ?

Always makes me smile.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Sep 5, 2012 4:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

May 15th 1970 has been on my Mp3 player forever. One of my top 5 favorites. I have driven lots of miles with it for company.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 5, 2012 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

and may you drive many more ..............

........................... keep on Truckin'!!!!!!

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Poster: JackDog Date: Sep 5, 2012 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 5-15-'70

Part of 5/15/70 was one of the very first Grateful Dead tapes that I acquired so it holds a special place in my heart. It was one of the first shows that I searched for when I started downloading music, and when I found the entire show (early, late, and NRPS) I thought that I was in heaven! I wasn't aware that it had been officially released, so it's nice to see that it wasn't just my biased memory that thought it was great.

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Poster: mklsgl Date: Sep 5, 2012 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

I'd go with the 1984.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 4, 2012 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

Just a few years b/t posts b.

Gradual, happening during the early 80s. Lots of sweet Jerry vocals in '80. Lots of Fozzie Bear Jerry vocals in '85.

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Poster: bwhite0110 Date: Sep 5, 2012 3:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

yeah, i know. wasn't even really sure if i was still registered. thanks for all the replies.

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Poster: Headstrung Date: Sep 4, 2012 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

The first deterioration in his voice that I am aware of was in January 1978. He was sick with laryngitis on that west coast tour and sick again later in that same year. I have read in several books that his heroin use really picked up in 1982 so I would imagine this wouldn't have exactly helped matters because he was supposedly smoking it. I was at the run of Hartford shows in spring 1988 when he threw his microphone down from frustration after his voice gave out. That's the worst I saw in person. Anyone else think of any other significant time period where his voice started becoming strained? I guess I would say intermittent failures after 1978.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Sep 5, 2012 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

I'm with you on 78. I saw them in Stockton in January. Stockton! Great show but boy was he squeaky. I'm sure fighting through on those nights and that volume must have had major long-term affects. That, and how the nasal passages get tweaked due to pharms. :)

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Poster: RJ_Squirrel Date: Sep 5, 2012 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry's voice

Agree with 78. It's funny that the Eyes from 7/8/78 was what really turned me on to live Dead, but that show has since set the line in their history that I don't like to cross. Jerry's voice sounds like it's becoming ragged but still has life to it.

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